[Idem]

Ducky5, on 07 June 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Can you even us Tonio on normal songs? Like not opera.....

Yes, he is very proficient at scatting.

[Αlex]

Ducky5, on 08 June 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

Can you even us Tonio on normal songs? Like not opera.....

>>saying opera isn't normal

Maybe, but from what I've seen he'll only sound very good with opera.

[Somebodyrandom]

I just uploaded some ogg files onto the wikia of Prima, Sonika, Big Al and Tonio last night. You can study the vocal results in a DAW if it displays the singing pitch, it actually brings out into the open any word that came out differently (its slightly louder) to the others. In fact you can study the vocals and compare them to a real singer in FL studio if your prepared to spend the time and don't have the capablities to do things manaually without extra software involved.

Also, some notes from this;

*Off the bat with no vocal editing, you can hear on the wikia's ogg files who is singing naturally better then the rest. Prima is prob. the Vocaloid that off the bat with no editing the best vocaloid hands down. She just sounds the best overall, of course we know how much you need to do to make her come out of her style. She is also the most stable vocal
*Tonio's "r"'s just don't sound correct, I place him as the weakest in "r"'s of the four, he is also awefully quiet across most of the notes except every odd one.
*Off the bat with no vocal editing, Big Al REALLY croaks on short notes, he doesn't like half a note, he wants at least one whole note. However, off the bat I place him second since his vocal results often come out relatively close to Prima's when you study the file results in a DAW.
*In some cases you can literally SEE where the diphones are kicking in...No really... the DAW reveals all. In a natural singer the transition is smooth, note for note you can see where each section of a word is kicking in. In some cases its quite dramatic. For instance in Prima's file, the start of "sing" you can see in the DAW is quite gummy but the "ng" (end of "sing") is quite clear and lourder. So you would need to focus on improving "si". '

Edit:
You can actually use any software btw for this that displays the vocal outputs. If you've got the software you can also fix this problem anyway.

Also I added Prima's vocal results on the word "Sing".

As I said, you can see where the second half of the word is kicking in at the end, btw a natural singer wouldn't be so noticable like that for the curious. Prima was holding the "si" in the note to sing this because it was a long note, Vocaloid tend to hold the first part of the word when they sing long notes, they insert the rest in quickly at the end (sometimes its sloppy how they do this). You have to break them down further then a single note to make them hold anything else. Sing is almost one whole word...

[Idem]

That's interesting.

[Somebodyrandom]

Heres another, Prima has a vocal oddity.

Its a silent background noise.

You can only hear it if you know that it is.

http://vocaloid.wiki...rimasinging.ogg

Listen carefully, when Prima sings "Zero-G" listen to "G".

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dFWYvA9MRY0

Now listen to this video and "listen" to prima for that sound if you think you heard it. Anyone know what it is? (Or can also hear it for that matter). Tonio and Sonika don't have this sound as far as I can hear. If you are not sure what your looking for, some help;

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=n4kMG8ojG0w

The ending talks about a silent "click", its along the same lines.

It bugs me from time to time this noise Prima produces, except this isn't an absent of sound, its a quiet long drawn out tone.

[Virtual > Real]

Can I put up a tip that's not so much for Engloids as it is for English speakers who use Japanese Vocaloids? If you use a Japanese Vocaloid, there's a trick I learned that'll turn the interface English. However, it comes at a cost.

What you need to do is go in to the Vocaloid2 program folder on your computer and remove all .dll files from the folder with JPN in their title. This'll make the interface English. However, it also disables your ability to type lyrics into multiple notes and you'll have to change the phonemes of each word one at a time. I didn't know this when I got Luka and tried this trick, so for any of you out there who've tried it or want to to get a better idea of the interface, keep that in mind.

[AyuRox]

^ False. Only files that end with "_japanese.dll" affect the interface. The ones that end in "_JPN.dll" do other things that probably shouldn't be messed with.

[Virtual > Real]

AyuRox, on 10 June 2011 - 04:27 PM, said:

^ False. Only files that end with "_japanese.dll" affect the interface. The ones that end in "_JPN.dll" do other things that probably shouldn't be messed with.

Ah, this is probably why I had problems, then.

[aquatius]

Other solution: Man up and use the Japanese interface *shot*

But in seriousness, this thread is really interesting. I'd quite like Tonio but I'm worried he'll be hard to use. I think the problem is that so few people use him it's hard to find good evidence of his capabilities outside his demos.

[Somebodyrandom]

I'd place him above Sonika, for not having nearly as many bugs and issues and below Prima for being a lot less natural sounding and more robotic.

Quite honestly, if you can use Prima and Sonika, Tonio's not a problem.

[Crossfrown]

aquatius, on 11 June 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

Other solution: Man up and use the Japanese interface *shot*

But in seriousness, this thread is really interesting. I'd quite like Tonio but I'm worried he'll be hard to use. I think the problem is that so few people use him it's hard to find good evidence of his capabilities outside his demos.

He's extremely strong-voiced, so I can't find any song for him to cover that would allow proper voice utilization.

In fact, because I'm a lazy asshole and no one really likes playing with his voice, this is the only actual full utilization, and it's pretty much useless because it's in Japanese.


My basic assessment is that he, like Prima, is awkward outside of opera or hard rock because he bellows instead of closing his throat when going higher.

[Idem]

I think it's pretty amazing they made voice synths like Prima/Tonio to begin with. They are particularly ripe for toying with.

[aquatius]

Crossfrown, on 12 June 2011 - 04:19 AM, said:

He's extremely strong-voiced, so I can't find any song for him to cover that would allow proper voice utilization.

In fact, because I'm a lazy asshole and no one really likes playing with his voice, this is the only actual full utilization, and it's pretty much useless because it's in Japanese.


My basic assessment is that he, like Prima, is awkward outside of opera or hard rock because he bellows instead of closing his throat when going higher.

I thought that song was called Alumina? o_o

And yeah, I think he's sadly limited in which genres he can do. Still, I'd love to hear more epic orchestra/rock type stuff with him.

[Virtual > Real]

aquatius, on 11 June 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

Other solution: Man up and use the Japanese interface *shot*

Hey, I did. When you're first getting started though, it can be problematic.

Another thing, a lot of Engloids (and Luka) seem to have a problem with er-l words. Like 'world' 'pearl' 'girl'. The thing of it is, there's a kind of short u sound in there. Like wer-ULD. Per-UL, Ger-UL. So what I do is put an Oh or U sound in there. For Luka, gh @r O: l works pretty well. You might want to play around with sounds in that vein.

[AyuRox]

^ This (and words like "pencil" or "bubble") is preciely the reason I feel there needs to be a [@l] phoneme.