[Saurus]

What the fuck is this? Forced euthanasia for the elderly in the Netherlands? This has to be the biggest amount of bullshit I have ever heard. My mother's worked with the elderly for quite some time and I'm a Dutchman so I can say with a 100 per cent certainty that this is a load of crap.

The Netherlands has chosen a "voluntary euthanasia" principle, which basically means that every terminally ill patient can decide for themselves whether or not they want the plug to be pulled. Doctors won't ever pull the plug because of budget costs. We're humans, not sick beasts.

Furthermore, the elderly fleeing the country because they're afraid that they might be killed in the hospital? Don't make me laugh. The Netherlands has been proven to have a health care system superior to that of the United States. Proof.
Yes, the government cuts are slowly destroying our health care system, but forced euthanasia has never been and will never be a standard procedure in the Netherlands.

So, discuss.

P.S. Lol at the "shocked and appalled" people actually taking his complete and utter nonsense as truth.

[Jecyntaa]

Person shouting bullshit = people who have no mind or opinion of their own following them.

It's the same crap with vaccinations for children causing Down Syndrome or whatever in the states. Every country has one. But the people who matter in the world are usually smart enough to know better and the people who follow these stories (which truly are meant to induce panic or concern) are usually stupid. It's got something to do with free speech, so we gotta listen to their crap... ya-da, ya-da. It's a bit too early in the morning for me to make sense. These types of things are best ignored, because as you said they are a load of bull.

[Rainbow Neko]

Wut.

I don't know anything about much about the Netherlands, but even I know that what you say about doctors killing patients and stuff isn't true. I didn't even watch the video because I was pretty sure the video was a load of bull before I even read what you said.

These people succeed by creating panic among their listeners, so it's best not to promote it.

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And the Health Care System here in the US, in my opinion, is kinda wrong sometimes. Not always, but it's actually kinda common that a patient isn't always treated right, i.e. getting depression medication instead of being understood that he is truly sick, or getting a c-section when really her baby's birth is going fine. Because in those cases the doctors just wanna go home and eat their dinner.

That's just my opinion, but the examples are all too real...

[Darius-X]

Your brother and fellow Dutchman sometimes engulfs himself in rage because of what Americans do and say. And this... This made my brains produce rage of very high caliber. So... I saw something on Fox News about the Netherlands being a cesspool and everything... I can't believe where they get it from. And why they exactly use US as an example what NOT to be as a country.

Is there a penalty in America for excessive demonisation of whatever individual anywhere? Because that penalty should be given 17 million times(17 million = Population in the Netherlands)to this man and his campaign-fancy-pantses. Should treat them well... Paying their ethic debts instead of making false accusations and all that bullcrap...

Don't get me wrong. I'm not aiming at the complete USA or something. I'm not happy with what this specific man and his voters do. Who would ever vote for such a man...?

*sighs* Maybe I should have posted this in the SART...

PS: We're #17 on that list!!! WOOO! Our docs deserve a medal~<3

[husky]

wow, i might not be dutch. but even i found this to be the most offensive thing an american can say to you guys.you can see why europeans are getting pissed off with the american goverment.

proof: watch the video if you didnt, the american goverment is the biggest most pathetic excuse for a goverment at the moment. they cant even get their facts straight.

[disky♠errorz]

Santorum is full of himself. If he becomes President, the Netherlands will attack. And I don't blame them.

I have distinct loathing for all of the Republican candidates right now. But Gingrich still pisses me off more. He's stated that women in the military can't sit in a ditch for weeks like men can because they'll get infections. ANYONE who sits in a ditch for weeks will get infections! He wants to rant about gay marriage ruining the sanctity of marriage even though he's had three wives and most likely numerous affairs. Along with that, the psychopath wants to make a permanent U.S. moon base. A base... ON THE MOON..... THE EARTH IS GOING TO KILL US.

Although I'm glad Bachman dropped out. I was seventeen when I first heard her say that all gay teens should be put into camps to be reformed to be straight. As a bi-sexual, I started making plans to sneak onto a plane and get to the United Kingdom right away.

Look out England, here I coooomeee!!

[Raven Vox]

I know this is old, but when faced with such thing, I cannot help myself.
...You wanted a discussion, you've got a debate.
alea jacta est...

Due to length, this post has been spoilered. Anyone may read, though take in mind who it was addressed too.
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addressed to Saurus

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...Y'know, ya'll just don't get it.
...'Damnant quod non intelligunt' as it is said.
I'd like to get a republican in on these here forums and have them voice their opinions once and a while.
...I mean aside from myself.
Anwyay, I've always thought Santorum was an idjit, but dared not call him a liar.
Listen, if you yourself don't know that something's false, you're not lying when you say it, you're simply misinformed, besides...
It's commonly said here in the US that the Netherlands uses such things, it's a myth, an urban legend, that type of thing... pardon, but get over it. It's far too widespread a rumor to quelch now.
It is not wrong to voice what you believe, in fact in America it is seen as a right granted to us by our constitution, and as it is said, audemus jura mostra defende re.
Besides, how am I, or even he, supposed to know that you haven't been fed misinformation, yourself?
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That's just what I'm getting at, you're Dutch. I'm American.
The Netherlands and America don't get along, havent since before America was founded, to speak the truth.
Dutch Government says things about America, Dutchmen and Americans both laugh.
American Politician says something about the Netherlands, Dutchmen want to kill us, Americans claim the guy treason...
It's called the cycle of revenge, get used to it. It's the harsh reality of this small world we live in.
The Dutch lied about the Americans continuously in the old days.
So, please do your best to forgive us for having scars of the past, and we'll do our best to forgive you for the same.
No, I'm not being rude, I'm just speaking the voice of American Pride.
As me, myself, at least let me say this much.
On behalf of my people and my lady, America, I, for one, sincerely apologize for whatever wrongs may have actually been commited by our people and our represenatives against the whole of your people, for I'm sure there are many.
You are entirely permitted your voice of Dutch Pride, just be as prepared as I for rebuttal.

Really though, if you're not an American then it's not your place to rant about someone running for the American office, even an idiot.
Wait until he gets in office and does something stupid, rant about him then and I'll join you.

Also, that Health Care listing is over 12 years old...
It's not valid proof, it's a ancient relic.
Innaccurate as all getout as well.
Anywhere that rates Cuban healthcare as only 2~3 under the US is way off. They're selectist over there.
The United States Health Care system itself is however pretty bad, I'll admit, but it allows freedom of choice...
...let me point out that the United States is the leader in Medical technology and has been for running on 22 years.
Yes, well higher than France or anywhere else.
...
I end that topic here.

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addressed to Darius-X, much more as an address than an actual debate...

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And to you, sir, as to Saurus, I, for one, on behalf of my people and my lady, America, sincerely appologize for whatever wrong doings that have actually been committed against the whole of your people by we and our represenatives, for there are many, I'm sure.

For a debt of honor now has been paid, the matter of hand turns then to another conserning the honor between men.
Let me say this, good sir, with no intent of ill, you have offended me, with the words you have chosen, and my wrath be let known here and now.
Ye dare claim right of ethnic debtitude again from any of my bretheren and I, for one, shall not stand rest until justice has been served upon thine then be misriable head.
For such is far worse scorn to a true American than that of nearly any other words of mere mortal tongue. We fought long and hard a great many years to earn our independence over the course of a great many lifetimes, let me speak unto thee, and shall do so again in the face of any foe, be it nation or mere man, that shall rise to stand against us.
And of the question you asked, there is only one such penalty for the so called crime of which you claim, and that in and of itself is mori, death and death alone by right of the duel.
So go ahead, sir, come to my shores with your brothers, your fathers, and your sons, as it shall be but ultima ratio regnum. However, know that on that dreadful day I, my brothers, our fathers, and our sons shall stand on our shores, animus opibusque parti, virtute et armus, aut vincere aut mori...
Hear, and heed my words, I and my brothers are but of one blood, American, let it be known that, a maxima ad minima they are kin of mine, by bond far closer than that of blood, any who attack them attack me, and tuebor, certo: teubor, for Nemo me impune lacessit, my good sir, none attack me with impunity.
Yes, even for such a man as he, the fool! For a maxima ad minama, means even he, for he is American, and we keep our own, lest we fall entirely into the disarray of the world.

I pray that you and all others of foreign lands heed his words as what they are, and only what they are, vox et praeterea nihil... voice and nothing more.
Let not the scars made by one affect the flow of time.
Know that many here believe as he, for America is grand, grand in size and magnitude. There are many individuals here, far many more than anywhere else in the world, and we are prone but to have... negative opinions of elsewhere in the world. For what are men but fools? And I speak of the whole human race.
When we speak of that which we have no way of knowing, and modern communication changes none of this, only sight make a man learn, we speak as like fools.
For one, even if you, sir, are 'learned' about America, you know not of her unless you have been here and tasted of her fruit, rejoiced in the good and mourned of the bad, until then none truely know of America... and it is a shame to say that many living here today that claim to be American have no idea of what they speak. I lower my head in grief of the state of this nation, yet will stand to fight for it another day.
We will recover, let not one or twenty million who do not understand give you a bad opinion of us.
And do watch what you say, for your words may not have been in and of the blade, yest still it is words that cut the soul, and when thrust at America, there is at least one here who shall stand...

...alea jacta est.

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And diskyerrorz... the Moon Base is a very plausible ideal, one that I whole heartedly support.
You really have no comprehension of scientific yearning, do you?
It's highly possible, and well benificial to man's greater exploration of space.
And besides, planting a base on the moon is but a sign of American Supremacy of Space, it's something that every country actually is wanting. It's only that America is closest to actually having the power to do it, with China not far behind. Newt's just capitalizing on the difference.
It's called pride, and it keeps a people united and moving forward, it's a good thing.

Like it or not, the state of the world is perpetually that of a grand-sum game, there can be no ties and no long-term allies. Everyone is looking out for themselves, just waiting for the chance to stab their so-called ally in the back and take everything they have. In the end, all it comes down to is merely 'who is the last man standing?'. And then even that will desolve and the whole cycle will start all over again, as it has many times before.
History will repeat itself, war is reality, hate is reality.
Country 1 will Never get along with Country 2.
To be honest, America and the U.K., so-called close allies for over a hundred years, have been edging on war for just about 8 years.
...

Also, Newt is well allowed to say his opinion on Gay Marraige, it's his right.
Sure, he's on his third wife, something he's apologized about time and time again... only after he said he got his life straight and by all proof has held to it. Still, he came out to fight for what he believes in, there's nothing wrong with that.
I'll go ahead and say it. I don't support gays, lesbians, or bi-sexuals and I've said it from the stage and will say it again.
Admitingly, I'm not about to enforce that while on here, and I'll chit-chat with opens.
I'm not going to complain at them, it's just my opinion, everyone is entitled to one and politicians are expected to voice theirs, it's part of the job.
Just because he's against homosexuals, don't bash him for having a few failures in his marital life, you're no better than he is.
You're both human, and prone to grave mistakes.

And no, you're wrong.
I don't recall him ever actually saying that (won't say he didn't), but still...
A female has a 37% higher chance of succumbing to 'ditch diseases', as the term is in the military, as a properly trained male.
It's not sexist, it's a gender based varient in the immune system.
I did however hear him say that he didn't approve women in combat, saying that if you place a male and a female in the same trench you're going to have problems...
There are just some things you can't train out of people. And judging by the way you speak, I'll assume you're not old enough to understand.

I, myself, do not endorse women in combat roles.
A male is built for war, it's a solid undeniable fact, a female is next to gurranteed to fail in the wartime conditions.
A male develops relitive skills aproximately twice as fast as the average female, and loses less muscle capabilities than a female (with the same exact training) over the same exact period of time.
It's just a scientific fact.
We males just end up being block heads in exchange... you're supposed to be smart so take pride in that.
You just don't understand the Military though.

Also, if the Netherlands attacked the United States just over something as dumb as that, there's bound to be countless senseless deaths...
They're just words, they'll brush them off, they're tougher than that.
Don't speak of war so flippently until you've almost lost your life in one, madam, it's only right and fair to all those that have.
You're honestly actually began to spark my temper there for a moment.
You called Newt a psycopath, well, under that logic, Newt Gingrich is not the Psycopath, madam, the psycopath is you.
...
No, I wasn't saying that litterally, I was making a point.
Don't sling such harsh language around. That's actually worse than me walking up to Nova and calling him a Nigger (no, I'd never do that, I love the guy too much).
You're flat out saying that he should be locked up, never to see the light of day again.
That's what they do to psycopaths, madam.
Because they're borderline murderously insane.
It's a hateword.

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Understand that all this is said not in a spirit of animosity, but the spirit of debate.
Debates happen by first all parites deciding each other to be wrong and vocalizing on these opinions.
Saurus, Darius-X, and Diskyerrorz, you are all more than welcome to refute what I have said in the spirit of said debate.
All I ask is that any disagreements or negative feelings held be retained to here, and here alone.
Let's not ruin anyone's browsing experience, alright?

[Darius-X]

@Raven Vox

If you have read my post in a correct fashion, you might have noticed the fact that I didn't want to express harsh feelings towards all of the Americans. You have the Americans, with whom we get along... Then you have the Americans who were falsely informed.

They didn't get their facts right. They should have listened to a well-known phrase. "Before all else, be armed", is what the writer and political expert Niccoló Machiavelli has written. Those aforementioned arms were actually all the types of knowledge this chap, Santorum, needed to collect.

He may be a fellow American, but... The unspecified deity, a.k.a. God, always claimed that a human always should hold responsibility for his actions and endeavours. And you don't want to take the blame for all the nonsense Santorum says, do you? If you, as one blood, would take all the responsibility for your "peers", there would never be justice in any way.

What I actually want to indicate is that I do not intend to offend all of the Americans. So not what these guys, Santorum and co., did to all of the Dutchmen. I'm sorry; you claim to be the patriot that would stand for your people? Yet you don't want to stand for what bullshit Santorum has spilled?

~Darius-X~

PS: So... Obama lied, back then? He said that there were no better comrades than the Dutch. But... He said exactly the same to the Australians. Sometimes you can be too friendly.

[Selphos]

I heard something from the stoners in my philosophy class (because that means a lot, I know, shut up) that Santorum wants to ban blowjobs.

I'm not sure if there's truth to that, but how would that... work.

[Raven Vox]

Responding.
But first, an announcement:

Rayden, on 26 February 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

I'm taking a more personal stance on this, as I didn't treat it like a debate from the beginning. Saurus asked for a discussion, and that's what I give. It's your choice to make it a debate, and we're free to ignore it or pursue it.

Debate, to my understanding, is the form of discussion when two or more parties disagree and attempt to assert their own respective opinions.
This, to me, is merely and simply an informal debate.
I intended not to provoke anyone nor insult anyone by choosing to poise my words as in the manner of the debate, I however realized that my words were highly controversial and therefore openly insinuated the manner of debate, therein by attempting to make aware to all that my intention was not to enforce my opinions upon others but merely to make them known, and was accepting of and expecting rebuttal to my words.
Oration is not one of my predominant skills, of course also so being the arts of Speech-craft (which means manipulation of words in general)
I was not intending to force the manner on anyone, if that is the way it was taken, I sincerely apologize to you all.

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Rayden
I broke your post apart and reorganized it in order to respond based on the subject matter of my response.

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Rayden, on 26 February 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Fair enough, I'll step in.

Very well, you're welcome to it.

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I agree with the Dutch completely. There's this middle aged lady at my cafe who's really into politics, she isn't afraid to tell me when she thinks I'm naive, and I tell her that she's just overlooking details or being stubborn. The barrier in age and "respect" is removed, we talk very intensely. Now she knows many of our politicians are idiots, but she has good things to say too. But when I finally decided that I support NONE of the politicians this year, I explained to her why I didn't support Obama. I told her the NDAA was one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of, and all she had to say was "well, yea, the military is all stupid."

Not that she represents all Americans, but she's one of the more patriotic people I've met and even she doesn't have an answer for some of our stupidity. We spend too much on the military, it's a fact. Even China went out of their way to say that publicly. I don't have the proof right here, if I need to go find an article or quote or video I will, but I'm hoping you can take my word for it. We are spending too much, and taking away from the hardworking citizens. Literally taking apart our rights, piece by piece.

I actually think the military could use more funding.
At present we have at least two 'hot zones' that are actively skirting on war, you degrade the military any farther than it is and we're going to have to reenact the draft in order to maintain a defensive military level when they do attack, as they keep threatening but are too scared of our current military level to actually do it.
Those two are, of course, Iran and North Korea.
And, before you say it, both nations have been our enemies for a great deal more years than you've been alive (since you yourself said that you're 19 in your profile). Both nations believe themselves to be at war with the United States and are proactively seeking a violent end to the conflict. Iran since the Iranian crisis of 1979-81, N. Korea since the ceasefire in 1953)
In fact, it was just the other day that Kim Jung-Un threatened to reinstate the war full force, yet again, on South Korea just because the US and S.K. were going through a routine exercise (that isn't even costing very much, by the way, in the grand scheme of things)...
They do this yearly, and every year the US and S.K. alliance pushes them back across their borders.
Do I even have to say anything on Iran, what with the recent conflict over the carriers?

I actually have to laugh that you're using China's attack at the UN meeting as your argument, yes, it was an attack.
I remember that incident and remember it well.
You realize that they're the one's who stand to benefit the most if the US downsizes its military?
But yes, your point is valid, I acknowledge that the United States has the highest military budget in the world... however, allow me to point out that we also have the most to lose, out of any military force in the world.
Our equipment is the most expensive in the world (because it's also the best in the world when applied to highly aggressive plans and strategies, our wartime bread and butter [Germany's is better when applied to balanced tactics, the UK's is better when being passive/defensive, no one knows anything for cetrain about the communist/former-communist forces...]), and considering that we have need of the most bases around the world, let alone within our own shores, in order to protect our interests, both global and native... that adds up to a large sum, quite quickly.
Add that to the fact that we have 'allies' that we need to protect... no, more like we're bound to protect by way of treaty, and that we're mostly responsible for the funding behind NATO, and in part the UN, both of which also comes out of the military budget...
All in all, under the present corrupt system the US military needs around 2 trillion dollars a year in order to keep it where the little man in the US, like you and me, don't fail to wake up because we've been invaded and killed.
Somehow they've been doing this admirably for many years with less than optimal budget.
Let's not add oil to the fire and further provoke our enemies, alright?

Now, let me be honest with you, the system is corrupt and it's in need of an overhaul, badly.
For one thing, the military spends several billions of dollars annually on civilian contractors for menial jobs that the military has specialists for, such as Building and Remodeling, handling of the Post Exchanges and Commissaries, and even down to maintenance of their armored vehicles...
For one, that's not pumping money into the private sector by adding jobs, that's draining the private sector by using up the work force and increasing taxes.
Trust me on this, I've spoken to a lot of military personnel who have this as their highest complaint.
If done right, the annual military budget could be as low as 400 billion dollars within a few years, all the while maintaining the strongest military in the world.
Which there is nothing wrong with, please note. The only way to pursue peace is to always be ready for war.
Though continuing, it'd be possible to eventually narrow it down to about 300 billion, but that would involve a bit of downsizing, which I don't recommend for previously stated reasons.

There are several other things that could be done to give the federal budget an overhaul and lower taxes on everyone.
For instance, the Keystone XL pipeline and other Gas and Oil based endeavors.
Did you know that it'd be possible to generate 17 trillion dollars of federal revenue over the course of the next 10 years just by making a few changes? And that's without increasing taxes, in fact, it's lowering them to 15% nationwide and stands a good chance of droping the gas prices immediately...
And before you say anything, I've actually done the math and research on this, I don't take any politician's words at face value.

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I think at its root it all went downhill when we took out the gold standard and decided to invade countries we had no right to invade.

There's a lot more to it than that, I assure you.
Although I don't understand what invasion you're talking about.

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America is no longer about liberty, it is about money and power. Our economy is falling, but the government teases us with small amounts of hope in order to keep us at bay. Really, all of our politicians are idiots in their own ways. Or to be more precise, genius at looking like they really are looking out for our country.

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The Dutch may be cocky as hell, I didn't really know. But I think they have all the right to be, our country's founding fathers have done full 360's in their graves at what we've become. I'd move to the Netherlands in a heartbeat, the future of this country is grim, I'm really hoping to get out before it's too late.

Touche. Yet still, I return.

I mourn this country day and night for the great number of those she has lost, all those who appear to hold no faith in her.
As I have said before, and will say again until my dying breath.
In fact I believe it was you who I said it to last time.
I am a patriot, and I love my country, she's worth it all to me.
I will not deny it.
I claim her as my own, I believe that she is worth fighting for, and I would gladly die for her...
...And I know that there are many who have done the same for her, and would gladly do so again.
When the time comes to fight for her once more, be it in the courts of law or the fields of war, I shall not veer from the challenge.
I may not be able to run and fight as I once was, but, as long as I have God's gift of life, when the time comes I will stand once more and draw my sword, ready to fight to the bitter end.
And the rest of the world, now asleep in their beds, will wake in wonder of what has occurred.
For they were not here, the battle they did not fight.
Another day shall come and go, I and my brothers and my sisters shall remain, standing tall our scars to show.
The world may not remember us, but they will remember what we have done.
America will not die.
Not as long as at least one believes in her.
I will not let her fall.
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Liberty is something that must be fought for, freedom isn't free.
We have a gift, a great gift, that our founding fathers left to us, a gift like none others have in the world.
We have the power to change this country, for we, each of us individually, have been given the power too fight for what we believe in.
But more than that, we have the responsibility, the duty, to our country to fight for her so that she does not die, and that liberty and justice be secure for not only the next generation, but our own.
Will you not join me, brother?
For we have the power to change even the system itself.
The thing about America is thus, the system is designed to allow absolutely anyone to have a voice, and that one voice can change the entirety of America in as little as 4 years.
Now, I acknowledge that there are those forces who would do wrong to this freedom and oppress the voice of the small, yet still those who fight, and know how to fight, have a chance of being heard.
I know this, as I personally fight against the system everyday, both the left and the right.
I am very active in my beliefs, speak publicly about them in my way, and have even been threatened with imprisonment if I didn't stand down, yet still here I am today, I haven't stopped fighting.
I will not stop fighting for the land that I love.
Ever.
Even in death, for my voice will live on in those who I have touched with my words.
My passion shall inspire those who come after me.
Even if they know not who I am.
If you think that this country is headed down the wrong road,
which it is...
If you believe our lady America can be saved,
which she can...
Then join me,
join me in my fight for freedom,
join me in my fight for liberty,
join me in my fight for justice,
once and for all.

Darius-X

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Darius-X, on 26 February 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

@Raven Vox

If you have read my post in a correct fashion, you might have noticed the fact that I didn't want to express harsh feelings towards all of the Americans. You have the Americans, with whom we get along... Then you have the Americans who were falsely informed.

I did read your post in the correct fashion, I did note that you said that you didn't want to express harsh feelings against all of the Americans, yet your choice of words was an attack against more than merely he.
You may have realized that I expressed that you offended me directly with your choice of words.
By way of insinuation that any American held ethnic-debtitude to any other country, yours or otherwise, you, by extension, also claimed that I too held such debt, and, since, as stated, this was of the most severe scorn a patriotic American could receive, I retaliated not only in defense of my brother American, whoever should he be, but also of myself.
Americans fought for independence from any other nation, not just England, and I simply will not stand idly by when someone, who is no fool, claims that we owe any other country based on such frivolous matter such as ethnic-debt.
Someone who is not a fool should be informed to know better than to say such things.
Be happy, I consider you smart enough to take seriously.

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They didn't get their facts right. They should have listened to a well-known phrase. "Before all else, be armed", is what the writer and political expert Niccoló Machiavelli has written. Those aforementioned arms were actually all the types of knowledge this chap, Santorum, needed to collect.

Truth, the man could have served to be more learned before he chose to speak, yet still is the right of an American their freedom of speech.
It matters not if words be correct by common standards, but just that they be honest and not intended slander... which his words were not.
Knowledge is a fickle thing, the Knowledge of the truth even more so.
Still as what was said to Saurus can be said to you: how am I supposed to know that you're not the one being misinformed?
Lol, I don't actually believe that, I'm just making a point here.
The lack of communication which will always be prevalent among the human race shall always be its downfall (only when speaking of common matters, that is), modern technologies change this naught one bit.
He may have heard such reports of what you say the Netherlands actually does, yet whether or not he believes them or not is up to his interpretation of the matter at the given moment.
It could very well have sounded like a lie to him.
And you as well should already know, the ability to sort truth from lies is nigh unfound in the world of this day, for only greatest wisdom allows such feat, wisdom which he obviously has not.
Lack of such capability in and of itself does not make one a liar, admittedly speaking of such matters as if they were the gospel does make one an idiot, that which I not once denied him being.
Yet this alone should not condemn the man, for most other are of like in some manner.
Given the appropriate circumstances, one can be convinced of nearly anything.
Humans are all fools ins some way or another, and fools will always be fools. All of our great technology and we can't even figure out what's what just over the pond when all we have to do is simply ask...

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He may be a fellow American, but... The unspecified deity, a.k.a. God, always claimed that a human always should hold responsibility for his actions and endeavours. And you don't want to take the blame for all the nonsense Santorum says, do you? If you, as one blood, would take all the responsibility for your "peers", there would never be justice in any way.

What I actually want to indicate is that I do not intend to offend all of the Americans. So not what these guys, Santorum and co., did to all of the Dutchmen. I'm sorry; you claim to be the patriot that would stand for your people? Yet you, of course, don't want to stand for what bullshit Santorum has spilled?

Actually, I would.
Quicker than you think.
He's an American, I am an American. As I said in my previous post:
"From the greatest to the least of them they are kin of mine, by a bond far closer than that of mere blood, any who attack them also attack me, and I will defend, surely I will defend, for no one attacks me with impunity."
It's my duty, whether or not I agree with him, to defend him from foreign assault be it of blade or mere words.
Responsibility for his actions? The words that have spewed forth from his mouth?
He has not turned his back on this nation, even if what actions he takes or the words that spill from his mouth do not aid her.
Therefore I must say:
I am an American, responsibility for the actions of a man who says foolish things, when that man is your representative, yes by right and responsibility of your own, you are to take it!
And so I shall, and so I do!
The blunt of his foolishness falls back on me, as well as all my brothers and sisters.
I am American, when one of us is hit, it is our duty to all take the fall.

You spoke of what God said, well, you should be warned that I am of the Christian faith and am usually considered adequately versed in their teachings, regardless of my opinions of the matter.
It is true, the Lord did speak of Responsibility, but God also said to take care of your own, and not let those weaker than you to fall.
The Lord also spoke of justice, as well as he spoke of mercy; he spoke of wrong doings, and he also spoke of repentance for such actions.
Be wary of preaching to one who preaches, Sir, you'll quickly find it to be ineffective.

As for greater justice, there are few left to fight for it. As there are too many who flee from the duty that fate has presented unto them.
It is the responsibility of Americans to reprimand Americans, not only that but also to educate of wrong doings, and it is the duty of Americans to maintain the system that we live by.
That duty I will not shirk, as not only am I highly patriotic, I'm also somewhat active in politics.
I have stood and debated with many great men who have done many things, including former President George W. Bush and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, both of whom I called an idiot to their face over certain things.
When I 'speak', I seek, to the greatest of my capabilities, to have undeniable proof backing what it is I say.
I do the research, I do the math, leaving nothing to chance.
When the time comes, I will rise and fight once more, perhaps even on the political scene, this time stepping out of the shadows and into the light of day.
If at that time I so feel the call, I am even prepared to run for the office of President, then maybe this country would change and people around the world would think of us better.

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PS: So... Obama lied back then? He said that there were no better comrades than the Dutch. But... He said exactly the same to the Australians. Sometimes you can be too friendly.

Obama lies to everyone.
But to answer your question more thoroughly...
There was an old war simulation system used off and on by the US and a few of her Allies, it had a listing of all relevant players in what would have been a grand-sum game and how these players dealt with and related to each other.
In the simulation, a Nation's relationship with another nation was rated between -100 and +100, with higher being more friendly than lower (+100 was unshakable allies, and has never happened... ever.) Now, in this system, a country rated at +30 or higher was considered certain to give military aid in case of invasion, they're that close type of thing. Whereas -30 or lower was considered to be hostile and that nation would likely join in if someone (who was not their enemy) was to attack the original nation.
Using the US as a base, there was only one country who rated +30 or higher on their relationship, and that was S. Korea at 31.
The second highest rated country was Japan at +27.
Third was Canada at +20.
Just if you want to know, the Netherlands is rated '+1' status due to the common urban-legends.
By the way, the U.K. Rated a 16 (though the U.K. Rates the relationship as a 15).
And for reference, I'll throw this one in, when it was active the U.S.S.R. rated a record -93, today the Russian Federation rates somewhere around -40... my source was rather vague about that one, not being willing to reveal current military numeric like that.
Also, you can laugh about the Netherlands rating, France rates a -7.
America just doesn't get along very well with anyone...

@Selphos

...did you know that Sexual Acts involving the Anus is illegal in most states, even between married couples?
No one quite gets how that works either.

[asparagus]

Kind of relevant

[Raven Vox]

...Well, they were wrong on one thing, he didn't quite go against the constitution on the separation of church and state, he merely redefined the interpetation of the clause.
Technically speaking, the clause only keeps the federal Government from taking a state government.
That's all.
It does not say that a Church can not have a political say (any religious group, that is), but only that they may only have as much say as the next guy.
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What?

...Although, I do have to ask why you put up something from a well known Left-Wing Attack Dog.
I've been refraining from doing that with the Right.

[asparagus]

I just figured it was kind of relevant, and someone might find it interesting. *shrug*

also, on what you said about the percentages earlier (with the +100/-100), I'd dare to say part of the reason Canada is so high is because of our proximity and the fact that whatever the US does seems to end up effecting Canada in some way. However, that's just my opinion.