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How to introduce People to Vocaloid First impressions are everything.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:18 AM
Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:19 AM
My parents hate vocaloid... everytime they come to my room I have to turn it off... ;.; It's my room, let me listen to my music... And it was dad who showed me it from the start, so I don't think he should say anything about it... ;.;
id say FUCK YOU and turn it up louder, just like my dad when he was a kid. *punk rocker dad*
Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:20 AM
Fair enough, I wouldn't be sharing my music with strangers anyway.
So they'll...dislike it. And that's OK.
Unless it's a song about molesting little kids or something and you going YEAH CHECK THIS SONG OUT IT REALLY SPEAKS TO ME I don't get why it would matter what they think? I mean, if you're worried they'll judge you then you didn't do a very good job of following the above advice, right?
Or find a funny video and show them that.
Pick a song thats good but sounds crystal clear, the better the voice sounds the more likely they wont be annoyed.
(Ex. Dont show them Kaito, Meiko, Engloids, or Rin/Len at first).
Well, I agree that it's a good idea to tell them about the nature of Vocaloid as a voice synthesizer program.
>show them "crystal clear" vocals
>exclude most Cryptonloids
>leave out Miku & Luka
>implying Luka is "crystal clear"?
Okay but seriously, Miku is really an acquired taste and if you're going to be showing her to people who aren't familiar with anime and things of that nature I'm quite sure a lot of them will initially be put of my her high-pitched voice. I agree with ninjamitsuki, Engloids would probably be a good starting area because they have covers of songs most people are familiar with and...they sing in English...not to mention not all Engloids sounds are bad and choppy sounding.
Tip: When Vocaloids are shown live the crowd tends to make the Vocaloid sound clearer and the guitars will attract more people who listen to mainstream rock music.
I'll have to take your word for these.
Also with family try to hide Vocaloid and keep it a secret unless they ask. If they ask give the most nondescript non specific answer possible.
If its a PV make sure you dont let them see one thats too weird or one with translations, translations can cause HUGE misunderstandings. (ex. Fear Garden, Pantsu Nugeru Mon, etc.)
I'm not really ashamed of liking Vocaloid. It's just like liking any other artist. Although I do like to keep my facebook pretty minimal and only for communication purposes. Buut that's irrelevant I guess...
But I already share with my mom some other bands I like, so why not this too? Although she never seems to remember it anyway, haha. I mean, if you know your parents are going to be oddly opposed to you listening to Vocaloid for some weird reason, and you don't want to start unnecessary dramu, then I could understand...
idk I guess it's because I have a good relationship with both of my parents? /shrug
(I don't watch anything inappropriate around them anyway, Vocaloid or otherwise, because they're a little prudish.)
"Yes mom and dad and friends I am so sorry I have an interest that you don't share please accept my sincere apologies for not having the exact same opinions and tastes that you do, I realize how awfully embarrassing it is that everyone is unique."
Actually, if this is really happening to you, I'd consider getting new friends :Y
Let them know that the song may be very anoying to them and that they can stop at any time.
amen x 2
But there's a difference between being a pushy annoying fan and bending backwards trying to cover yourself for something you're "ashamed" of people finding out.
OK OK I know World is Mine gets a lot of shit and I also loathe the song with every fiber of my being etc etc.
I mean, generally speaking, again, most people NOT familiar will be turned off my Miku's high pitched voice...much less in a song where she sounds like she's being strangled.
But obviously, this isn't always the case! Everyone is different of course & it's okay to have different tastes, as I pointed out not too long ago. I hate World is Mine and I think it sounds awful, but not everybody does. When I was trying to show my sister some Vocaloid songs she hated the first 3 I showed her, and getting the message that she wasn't interested, I showed her World is Mine last to show her an example of a bad Vocaloid song and she actually preferred that one the most.
So, yeah /shrug
Oh, on another note, please don't double post. Use the edit button at the bottom of your post if you need to add/change anything.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:20 AM
Yes every person has a different taste.
One of my friends, she prefers cutesy songs. So I gave her sweet float flats, and she was hooked.
Another friend prefers horror songs, so I sent him one.
Another friend prefers rock songs. So I sent him one.
All three hooked.
From there on, I let them explore Youtube and NND videos to find their own music. : ) that will open a gateway
Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:22 AM
People who are making points about how introducing Vocaloid should be done are on the right track.
I can see i made ALOT of mistakes so I got rid of all my tips on the 1st post.
It is true I really shouldn't be embarassed by vocaloid.
Well I need some rest I'll see how the thread goes in the morning.
By the time this thread dies I'd like to see plenty of good tips and tricks on how to introduce Vocaloid.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:14 AM
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:34 AM
Occasionally, someone new asks me what it is, and I simply send them a link of a Youtube video that is 1) A very-well animated PV, 2) a song that is well-tuned, and 3) popular.
The videos I show to people most of the time are "Tower" by Luka, Miku's "Aria", or something from 40mp. Then they ask me... and being the lazy person I am, I just link them to VocaloidWikia...
1/3 chance I've "changed their lives" as one of them said. I didn't do anything... they should thank the internet.
See if that works for you.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:53 AM
I talk about how one can have a "professional studio singer" on their computer of any vocal type, and how if tuned correctly the synthesized vocals can indeed sound more realistic than the auto-tuned pop of today. Not that VOCALOID is a means to replace human singers (they're not), but rather a different sort of thing. I also talk about the creative community (as a whole, not the forum with the same name sadly falling into obscurity)
I THEN talk about the success that the software has had in Japan, showing mostly how many songs and their producers have become quite popular, some being signed to record labels. I even show the (wait for it...) live world is mine video showing that (in japan) the vocaloid software, along with the creative effort of many people, leads to sold-out concerts.
But the majority of us are not in japan.
An important part of VOCALOID in the West is getting more people to like VOCALOID
Number of people who might like and use vocaloid probably > anime/manga fans who like VOCALOID
Many people might be turned off to it by showing "World is mine" or other songs with a teal-haired "anime" girl with weird design choices singing like a chipmunk. It's best to show what the program can do, why it is a valid technology, and what it does for the creative community.
Others will love the twin-tail and company..
Just Thursday I talked to some people who knew of some of the vocaloids. I went to ye 'old Vocaloid Wiki and showed them all of the vocaloids, introducing them to the english vocaloids (Oliver is apparently cute!). I also (don't judge me) asked them to listen to my latest original "Ice Sculptures" (it's in my signature, listen if you want!).
One of them told me that she was not that interested in vocaloid as she had a friend that was SUPERMEGAOBSESSED with miku.
Miku can bring greatness or despair.
(if anyone is complaining about TL;DR, you... probably shouldn't have come to this thread)
You don't have to like anything Japanese/Eastern Asian to like vocaloid (Even if you are from Eastern Asia)
VOCALOID is NOT a replacement for real vocals. Miku is not a Terminator (unless you think it... please don't tell them that)
Although Vocaloids have characters, NOTHING IS CANON. NOTHING. AT ALL. You shouldn't tell people how miku is a magical robot who sells chicken wings and cannot play sonic the hedgehog games to save her life (which she has even though she'z a robit).
Also, branch out, miku's not the only japanese vocaloid. If you meet someone who only knows of a few vocaloids (regardless of language) introduce them to new ones. There might be people who only know of English Vocaloids (somehow?). It wouldn't hurt to show them of the amazingness that has happened over in japan.
but I'm just talking about irl, and I'm socially awkward there (I introduce myself as "hello, I'm a socially awkward young adult")
No shame in hiding it.
I might write more, but considering no sane person will read this far, I believe my work here is done.
P.S. I'm watching the pokecapn let's play of Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, and inexplicably they say (paraphrased) that "Vocaloid Miriam DB initializing". I'm not entirely sure what they were doing there, but at least a popular LPer knows of VOCALOID and an english one on top of that...
I must go now.. my planet needs me.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:00 PM
A vocal synth software/instrument developed by Yamaha. Designed to be a "singer in a box", it was meant for musicians who did not have a vocalist on hand, could not sing, did not have the range or as a backup singer. Although the original vocaloids released were from the UK, the software picked up speed with the release of the (now outdated) Hatsune Miku, the third japanese vocaloid. Vocaloid spread as a creative outlet/subculture for musicians, human singers, artists, programmers, animators, dancers and fans. There are currently over 30 vocaloids, all with different ranges and voices; like the deep voiced Big Al, opera based Prima and Tonio, and the soft, childish Kaai Yuki. There are over 40 thousand songs made by people using the vocaloid software, and some of the producers have been able to make it into the mainstream music industry, like Ryo and his band Supercell. Human singers, such as Piko and Choucho, have also been able to get into the industry after being noticed singing their versions of vocaloid tunes. With the help of Sega and 5pb and permission of the producers, there have been several concerts with the more popular songs using Crypton vocaloids as projections on a giant screen and a live, human band in the back (some of the songs even had the original producers in that band, such as Oster Project).
It's pretty much the way I explain vocaloid.
Also, avoid any songs that sound chipmunky and do show off the engloids, clara and bruno and seeU.
For songs, I'd use these:
these are just a few... of course you could customize to the person's preferences...
Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:23 PM
Well...I know he likes some anime + manga, so I knew he wouldn't just scream "WTF" at me if I showed him an anime PV.
I was basically speaking to him over Xbox Live, he was playing his music quite loud, so I thought i'd play some of mine.
I thought about what type of person he is. (Quite hyperactive, upbeat etc.) So I played PoPiPo down the mic...
At first he says "WTF is that?" (Whilst laughing slightly)
So I send him a link to the PV.
He's now a Miku fan.
(Now I just need to get him into other vocaloids, not just Miku)
Also, he recently attempted to make his own vegetable juice. Apparently it was "Proper dirty" XD
I'm watching you... >w>
Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:30 PM
~I introduced my older cousin to Vocaloid through UTAU and Nyan cat because he knew about the meme
~I introduced my uncle to Vocaloid through Yuki's cover of Castle on a Cloud because my uncle and I both love Les Mis to bits
~I was introduced to Vocaloid through a Hetalia fanvid back when that was my main fandom
~If I was going to introduce Vocaloid to someone who likes J-Pop I would probably pick Happy Synthesizer (which also happens to be my personal favorite Vocaloid song)
In general I think I would say avoid Crypon's Vocaloids and use a Vocaloid that is a bit less abrasive, like Sweet Ann, Gumi, or IA. However you might do well with a Crypon Vocaloid if you are introducing an anime fan.
Really its all about what the person you are introducing likes.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:44 PM
This is what I think. D: It's the first Vocaloid song I heard and I loved it 'cause of the lyrics and the whole feel of the song. x;
I introduce Vocaloid as not characters, but as a computer program. I show the people the editor, what it can do, and aim to impress them with how flexible it can be. THEN I show them some well-tuned songs. Usually Japanese ones as I don't know many well-tuned Engloid songs, but I sometimes use Freely Tomorrow as an example, or one of 164 or 40mp's works.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:47 PM
Knowledge is the best tool you can give someone, use it well.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:10 PM
Show something well tuned and something that won't annoy anyone or give a headache.
Only problem with engloids is that yes you successfully introduced Vocaloid without causing any embarrassment or misunderstanding. Though people who like Their English music will probably keep listening to their music because it sounds so much better by comparison (The voice not the song). When Vocaloid 10.0 comes out I'm POSITIVE it still wont sound as perfect in English.