[Soft~n~Fluffy]

mothy is using Yuki! I'm so happy! So apparently this is a re-imaging of heartbeat clocktower? Subs where?!

[Laskeri]

Yuki is related to The Warrior in Red somehow, and Neru kills the Warrior in Red, from what I've gathered.
Hm... Does this tie into the 5th Pierrot/Last Revolver somehow?
Also, there's a few parts where it sounds like Conchita...

EDIT: Derp novels without translations/is too lazy to look if there is any

[Maxus]

I'll have to disagree with you. for what I investigated here's the thing:

1. Kyle along with Yukina, Germaine and Gumillia return to Marlon to investigate some of the events of Praeludium of Red.
They discover that Prim Marlon was behind everything: Riliane being contaminated by the demon of the vessel of gluttony (see "Twiright Prank" in the guidebook) with the aid of "Abyss I.R.", sending Ney to eliminate the Three Heroes, Kyle's transformation in the previous novel... everything to take Lucifenia because of her deep hatred towards Anne.

The first daughter of Arth the I was destined to be one of Gretel's reincarnations, supposedly to be Riliane. But he had one already with Prim Marlon: Ney. Ever since Ney was born "Abyss I.R." experimented on her, twisting her mind into being completely obssesive to please Prim.

When everything was known, Ney turned mad and killed Prim. She ended up being possesed completely by the Vessel of Gluttony (which she actually could use to control dead people in Praeludium of Red, hence being Gretel's reincarnation (one of those where Conchita's maid) she had a connection with its owner), changing her clothes into Conchita's and even talking somehow like her:

"I'm hungry. If I leave anything on the plate, I shall not be forgiven"
So Kyle tried to save her.

She attempted to kill Kyle, but he was saved by the pendant he gave to Michaela. This is when Ney revealed to him she is the one who killed Michaela.
Ney gained the upper hand and was about to finish him when Germaine arrived, saved Kyle and defeated Ney (probably because Germaine is actually Conchita's reincarnation), but didn't killed her. Kyle after knowing the truth he no longer cared about Ney being his sister and wanted to kill her, but in the end Germaine didn't let him.

I really hope someone could translate this novel in the near future (some chinese user is already translating the 3rd novel, but is still on the first sections of it).

2. The song is in fact a re-arrange of "Heartbeat Clocktower", the only song using Conchita's melody is the one used to promote Praeludium of Red.

3. Mothy announced the making of the Seven Deadly Sins novel series at the end of Prefazio of Blue, so that question will take some time to be answered n_n;

[Laskeri]

Hence why I said the novels are the reason why I'm wrong. Also, no subs.

[PinKunoichi]

Please let this be translated soon, I've been anticipating this song for a while now.

[DREWdesu]

Subbed by a friend and translated by me... which he fixed the wording a bit.

[Maxus]

Now I know why in Praeludium of Red Elluka is shown to be at the Marlon Kindgom's side:

At some point Elluka realized she was going to lose her body (Lukana's) to Abyss I.R., so she took refuge inside of Gumillia o.o
This probably happened at the year 502, since Gumillia's profile in Prefazio of Blue says she has been astray since 3 years ago (Prefazio of Blue: year 505).

I always suspected that this "Elluka" was Abyss I.R. after all: In the ANM Worldguide, in the "Twiright Prank" story, we can see a caped figure with a transparent cat on her shoulder... the same one "Elluka" has on the Praeludium of Red PV.

I found out that after Gumillia defeated AbyssI.R. (in Prefazio of Blue), Elluka returned to Lukana's body but she possesed Mikina and fought against Germaine.
Germaine defeated AbyssI.R. and fled away, Mikina going back to normal and Germaine went travelling with Chartette.
However she seems to have had an interest in Germaine's body, since she has somehow a connection with Conchita (this was advertised in Praeludium of Red).

This opened a theory that Julia Abelard may be in fact Abyss I.R. in Germaine's body. But this seems to be contradicted with the ending screen of "Gobanme no Pierrot", where we can see a message being given to Julia from Abyss I.R. herself.

Man... mothy really likes to make never-ending connections...
Without mentioning he announced on his Twitter account he'd be releasing a new CD on this year's Summer Comiket.

[Anxiety]

Maxus, on 01 April 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

Now I know why in Praeludium of Red Elluka is shown to be at the Marlon Kindgom's side:

At some point Elluka realized she was going to lose her body (Lukana's) to Abyss I.R., so she took refuge inside of Gumillia o.o
This probably happened at the year 502, since Gumillia's profile in Prefazio of Blue says she has been astray since 3 years ago (Prefazio of Blue: year 505).

I always suspected that this "Elluka" was Abyss I.R. after all: In the ANM Worldguide, in the "Twiright Prank" story, we can see a caped figure with a transparent cat on her shoulder... the same one "Elluka" has on the Praeludium of Red PV.

I found out that after Gumillia defeated AbyssI.R. (in Prefazio of Blue), Elluka returned to Lukana's body but she possesed Mikina and fought against Germaine.
Germaine defeated AbyssI.R. and fled away, Mikina going back to normal and Germaine went travelling with Chartette.
However she seems to have had an interest in Germaine's body, since she has somehow a connection with Conchita (this was advertised in Praeludium of Red).

This opened a theory that Julia Abelard may be in fact Abyss I.R. in Germaine's body. But this seems to be contradicted with the ending screen of "Gobanme no Pierrot", where we can see a message being given to Julia from Abyss I.R. herself.

Man... mothy really likes to make never-ending connections...
Without mentioning he announced on his Twitter account he'd be releasing a new CD on this year's Summer Comiket.

I know, you told me so in YT, remember? The information is a bit confusing. I can't really tell between heads or tails out of it. I skipped over Green Wiegenlied and just ordered Yellow Cloture and Red Praeludium (still waiting for the right moment to have Blue Prefazio), so I missed some details, but I still need the help of a dictionary and some translators for it. So, what happened to Mikina, and is it for certain that Ney is the new incarnation? Some say it was still a couple of weird twins named Right and Left.

[Maxus]

With Wiegenlied of Green there's the thing:
Mikina is the one who hired Michaela and Clarith to work in the Freesis mansion. The one she didn't want to hire wasn't Clarith... was Michaela.
The reason Mikina gave was that she didn't like Elphegort's people being so discriminative against anyone different from them, but at the end Clarith pleaded to hire them both.
During the "Green Hunting" the mansion ended burnt down to the groung (everyone were evacuated before it) and the entire Freesis family went back to Marlon.

As I said before, Mikina got possesed by Abyss I.R., but was defeated by Germaine and she went back to normal. What happened with her after that is unknown to me.

The curios thing is that they didn't fight in the Marlon kingdom, but close to the monastery where Clarith and "Rin" live.
When they met, Germaine realized "Rin" was in fact Riliane. She remembered all those vengeful feeling, but Germaine only said to her "Nice to meet you", like kind of letting them go I think.

And so far, yes: Ney is one of Gretel's reincarnations.
I think with this mothy shows to us that a "soul" isn't limited to a specific character in the matter of reincarnation.

[Kit Wistful]

Fuuuuu things related to the books always frustrate me. I hope there's a translation for those soon.

...it's interesting to see Yuki next to Haku and Rin. I guess they meet up. I guess that's a thing that happened in the book.

"Handbeat" is...clapping? Applause? Pfffuh I wonder what that means. There's some sort of connection to Heartbeat Clocktower, I just can't think of anything that would make sense.

I wonder what the significance of SoE Kaito is, too. I assume he's a more developed dude in the books. I wonder what sort of dude he is? Duuude.

I hope this thing is wrapped up soon. I wonder if that will be the purpose of the wrath song?

[Maxus]

Kit Wistful, on 01 April 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Fuuuuu things related to the books always frustrate me. I hope there's a translation for those soon.

...it's interesting to see Yuki next to Haku and Rin. I guess they meet up. I guess that's a thing that happened in the book.

I wonder what the significance of SoE Kaito is, too. I assume he's a more developed dude in the books. I wonder what sort of dude he is? Duuude.

Even though I don't have the novels, I read the official chinese versions online (using google translate you can understand at least 70-80% of each one).
There's no chinese release date of Praeludium of Red yet but some chinese user is translating it, and so far it's still of the 1st chapter.

The prologue of Praeludium of Red is read by Rin and at a certain point Yukina arrives to the monastery, then the book makes the jump where Yukina is near to Belzenia's entrace gate.

So far of what I investigated Kyle is exactly as his profile on the site describes him: Honest, but with a mediocrity complex (LOL).

If you can I encourage you to buy Wiegenlied of Green, there're some nice details such as the actual reason why Michaela ABSOLUTELY NEEDED to be hired by the Freesis mansion.

[Anxiety]

Maxus, on 02 April 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

Even though I don't have the novels, I read the official chinese versions online (using google translate you can understand at least 70-80% of each one).
There's no chinese release date of Praeludium of Red yet but some chinese user is translating it, and so far it's still of the 1st chapter.

The prologue of Praeludium of Red is read by Rin and at a certain point Yukina arrives to the monastery, then the book makes the jump where Yukina is near to Belzenia's entrace gate.

So far of what I investigated Kyle is exactly as his profile on the site describes him: Honest, but with a mediocrity complex (LOL).

If you can I encourage you to buy Wiegenlied of Green, there're some nice details such as the actual reason why Michaela ABSOLUTELY NEEDED to be hired by the Freesis mansion.

Well, I guess that settles it. Ney really must be the Story of Evil's current Gretel incarnation (at least until someone brings up Right and Left, or even Rilianne and Allen, you can never really tell). Yeah, I read about that too. What exactly is a mediocrity complex? All I know is that Kyle is a bit of a pushover.

And it just occurred to me that the deities in the overall chronicles all come from the Story of Evil...or Evil Story, whatever. Michaela is that Thousand Year tree's successor, isn't she? And IF [because I am trying to keep a neutral opinion in this forum, so if any of you reading this want to disagree or agree with me, don't add in! I actually saw the picture (those albums and shipping rates are CRAZY EXPENSIVE!), but because some think its a rumor and try to dispel it, then by all means, go ahead but don't drag me into it] Anyway, and IF that rumor is true about Irregular (Allen's incarnation) being the Master of the Heavenly Yard, that just takes the cake. Michaela and Allen certainly have expanded their roles to become deified in the "mothyverse".

Then again, Gumi is playing a demonic role...Any word on wrath yet?

And am I the only one to find it really weird that "Sennen no Wiegenlied" has no video while Handbeat Clocktower does? And don't give that "it has a short PV" excuse because Handbeat Clocktower did too, and it got a full PV after 1 day the novel sells. Think mothy forgot about it?

[Virtual > Real]

Maxus, on 31 March 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

I'll have to disagree with you. for what I investigated here's the thing:

1. Kyle along with Yukina, Germaine and Gumillia return to Marlon to investigate some of the events of Praeludium of Red.
They discover that Prim Marlon was behind everything: Riliane being contaminated by the demon of the vessel of gluttony (see "Twiright Prank" in the guidebook) with the aid of "Abyss I.R.", sending Ney to eliminate the Three Heroes, Kyle's transformation in the previous novel... everything to take Lucifenia because of her deep hatred towards Anne.

The first daughter of Arth the I was destined to be one of Gretel's reincarnations, supposedly to be Riliane. But he had one already with Prim Marlon: Ney. Ever since Ney was born "Abyss I.R." experimented on her, twisting her mind into being completely obssesive to please Prim.

When everything was known, Ney turned mad and killed Prim. She ended up being possesed completely by the Vessel of Gluttony (which she actually could use to control dead people in Praeludium of Red, hence being Gretel's reincarnation (one of those where Conchita's maid) she had a connection with its owner), changing her clothes into Conchita's and even talking somehow like her:

"I'm hungry. If I leave anything on the plate, I shall not be forgiven"
So Kyle tried to save her.

She attempted to kill Kyle, but he was saved by the pendant he gave to Michaela. This is when Ney revealed to him she is the one who killed Michaela.
Ney gained the upper hand and was about to finish him when Germaine arrived, saved Kyle and defeated Ney (probably because Germaine is actually Conchita's reincarnation), but didn't killed her. Kyle after knowing the truth he no longer cared about Ney being his sister and wanted to kill her, but in the end Germaine didn't let him.

I really hope someone could translate this novel in the near future (some chinese user is already translating the 3rd novel, but is still on the first sections of it).

2. The song is in fact a re-arrange of "Heartbeat Clocktower", the only song using Conchita's melody is the one used to promote Praeludium of Red.

3. Mothy announced the making of the Seven Deadly Sins novel series at the end of Prefazio of Blue, so that question will take some time to be answered n_n;

Holy crap am I behind on my Mothy stuff. I don't even know what Praeludium of Red is. And what's 'Abyss I. R.'?

[Maxus]

Virtual > Real, on 05 April 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Holy crap am I behind on my Mothy stuff. I don't even know what Praeludium of Red is. And what's 'Abyss I. R.'?

Praeludium of Red (or Red Praeludium) is the 3rd Daughter of Evil novel which takes place 5 years after the original story, in the Belzenia empire.
And Abyss I.R. is Marlon's mage (as Elluka was Lucifenia's), highly rumored to be Elluka's sister-in-law: Irina Clockworker (see: "Clockwork Requiem")

Also, don't be fooled by the Red Praeludium promotional PV at the site, because the one you see next to Ney... IS NOT ELLUKA.

As I said above:
"At some point Elluka realized she was going to lose her body (Lukana's) to Abyss I.R., so she took refuge inside of Gumillia o.o
This probably happened at the year 502, since Gumillia's profile in Prefazio of Blue says she has been astray since 3 years ago (Prefazio of Blue: year 505)."

[TrueShadow]

Maxus, on 02 April 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

Even though I don't have the novels, I read the official chinese versions online (using google translate you can understand at least 70-80% of each one).
There's no chinese release date of Praeludium of Red yet but some chinese user is translating it, and so far it's still of the 1st chapter.

The prologue of Praeludium of Red is read by Rin and at a certain point Yukina arrives to the monastery, then the book makes the jump where Yukina is near to Belzenia's entrace gate.

So far of what I investigated Kyle is exactly as his profile on the site describes him: Honest, but with a mediocrity complex (LOL).

If you can I encourage you to buy Wiegenlied of Green, there're some nice details such as the actual reason why Michaela ABSOLUTELY NEEDED to be hired by the Freesis mansion.

Can you tell me where do you read it? I want to read it. So. Bad.
Dude, all these things are really complex