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Before I knew what is vocaloid, the description and explanation about "synthesizer" baffled me. I understood every word in the explanation, but I just don't get what is it. When I read this now...

DizzyZebra, on 08 July 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Spoiler

Wikipedia can be confusingly written, but it is not that hard to grasp.

Vocaloid = Vocal synthesizer

Vocaloids are used by producers and bands who can't sing/don't have a singer.

Vocaloids sometimes have small personalities or backstories given to them by the companies that make them, but these are rarely used in songs.

Vocaloids are classed as instruments.

The picture on the front of the box is the Vocaloid's mascot, to use this appearance in PVs is optional.

Vocaloid songs may have the same singer, but they are made by lots of different people and share no canon.

The Vocaloid represents the character within the song or the creator.

Vocaloid voicebanks were created using a real singer, but songs using Vocaloids do not represent this singer.

Thats all you really need to know to get the concept.

...I understand everything. I wonder is it appropriate to judge the ease of comprehension of something from the perspective of someone who already knew the thing.

Byakuwen, on 08 July 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

I really only expect super old people like my grandmother to have no idea what a synthesizer is or toddlers and extremely young children.

; ▽ ; Can I still stay by your side?

Byakuwen, on 08 July 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

This general generation is very tech-friendly, even if we've got the dumb facebook-tards who don't know the difference between a PC and Mac.

Not quite surprising even if an internet user doesn't know who is Obama. For example, a middle schooler who doesn't read news but always skip school to play online games. Different interest leads to different field of expertise, and common knowledge is not basic a requirement for survival. And it is possible to happen in areas which are not urban intensified.


P.S.
PC & Mac run with different OS. That's all I know. I don't know whether their hardwares are compatible for each other & etc. I would not dare to say I know the difference between PC and Mac at all.

; ▽ ; Can I still stay by your side?

[Hentai]

If you don't like sections of the fandom, stop where where the people you don't like congregate.

Certain sections of the Vocaloid fandom, or 'fandumb' as I like to call it, collect on certain sites/places.

While we have a wide swath of users here on VO usually you can tell if a thread is the kind you would like simply by reading the title. If its has a dumb sounding title, it probably has dumb sounding people. Likewise if its on a fandumb topic like fanmades then likely it is filled with fandumb and fanmades.

A little discretion can go a long way to reducing your overall headache and time-to-deal with the kind of obnoxious fans the OP is talking about. That being said I would agree with your overall assessment, which is why I go out of my way to avoid said people, I have personally found some of the nicest, coolest people ever in this Fandom.

I have gotten the honnor of taking part in cool collabs like Stellar Factory, Victory Octaves, Reso-Nation Collab, and more. I have met maybe half a dozen members of this forum IRL and we had shenanigans at the pier.

Beyond all the asshatry and fandumb, if you hang out with the right crowds, there are some of the coolest people you will ever meet, IRL or on the internet, I am glad to have met some on both.

[Ringworm128]

I've seen the bad rep Vocaloid has and I think it could be reduced if we got more people making/sharing original content and as I've said before we should start making non-weeb comments on YT. And we should also advertise Vocaloid to actual musicians. That way we might be able to even out the fanbase. Yes the "Stupid baka, only kawaii Vocaloids are official" side of the fandom will still be visible but at least there will be a better side for new fans to see.

[newtypefag]

Vocaloid isn't a synthesizer. It's a sample library. The producer programs (or "tunes" as we call it) the samples to sound like coherent singing/speaking.

WIth synthesizers you're creating waveforms from scratch.

It's the same for other libraries, most noticeably strings. VSL or East/West aren't synthesizers, they're sample libraries and producers/composers/arrangers program the samples to make them sound more human.

/pedantry

[AlesiaHoplite]

Yeah it's really sad how a bunch of Vocaloid fans that attend youtube do stuff like that.

Plus Vocaloid V.S K-Pop thing is pretty bad.


But what Hentai said is true. Just gonna have to ignore the fandumb that goes around. Go with the fans that have best morals and attitudes of what Vocaloid is like.

[VamSil]

Considering the fact that I run a youtube channel that reprints Vocaloid videos, I've seen A LOT of the stuff discussed here in this thread so far go down close up and personally... and I have to say, the Vocaloid fandom is starting to scare me a little with it's misinformation and mentioned hostility. I've been into Vocaloid ever since 2008 (a rough estimate of course) and I remember how confusing it was. Not the fact that it was a singing synthesizer, no, I understood that part perfectly. It was all the fan made characters and gender bent characters that threw me off. Back then, only the early Engloids, Meiko, Kaito, Miku, Rin, and Len were out. Now? I can't even imagine what it must be like for a new fan just learning about Vocaloid in 2012 with all the new characters and voices... and who knows how many more will be coming out. Last Christmas was overwhelming with the number of new Vocaloids.

Though, just so that I don't get off track, I have to say, sometimes I don't want to help someone new to vocaloid on youtube. Not because I'm mean or anything, but I swear, I'll reply to them, and then the poor person gets hounded by every other vocaloid fan for weeks AFTER I've already clearly answered the question. They'll just keep regurgitating what I just said and put it into their own words... Or straight up flame the person... Which is sad to see that this has become VERY common. I usually end up having to delete such comments to try and keep the peace. :(

[Howard]

Well ofcourse at the moment thanks to the fact that there are soo many vocaloids, it's truthfully ofcourse hard for a newbie to learn these things. Some people are persistent though and it's great.

Personally I find it irritating when people start spreading false rumours. People then in my opinion, have the right to correct them. But when somone asks a question and people start bashing them is another thing.

I think the fandom section of the crypton company is probably the worst. Most of the cruelty in the vocaloid fandom is located there. The second place with the majority of cruelty is probably fanwars. It mostly appears in the crypton fandom side, but not only in that side. I've seen a very arrogant Engloid fan. Every company has these kind of fans, just in my opinion Crypton and the Engloid side seem to have most of it. Please don't be offended. Most of the people from those fandoms are actually quite nice. Small people, big voices ^^;;

[DizzyZebra]

newtypefag, on 11 July 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

Vocaloid isn't a synthesizer. It's a sample library. The producer programs (or "tunes" as we call it) the samples to sound like coherent singing/speaking.

WIth synthesizers you're creating waveforms from scratch.

It's the same for other libraries, most noticeably strings. VSL or East/West aren't synthesizers, they're sample libraries and producers/composers/arrangers program the samples to make them sound more human.

/pedantry

o: I'll remember that. Its best to be exact, after all.

[Adept-eX]

newtypefag, on 11 July 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

Vocaloid isn't a synthesizer. It's a sample library. The producer programs (or "tunes" as we call it) the samples to sound like coherent singing/speaking.

WIth synthesizers you're creating waveforms from scratch.

It's the same for other libraries, most noticeably strings. VSL or East/West aren't synthesizers, they're sample libraries and producers/composers/arrangers program the samples to make them sound more human.

/pedantry

Actually Vocaloid is a synthesizer. The software utilizes a kind of Concatenative synthesis method. The thing you're talking about generally is a Formant synthesis method.

Also the software does various transformation to the samples to join them, like domain transformation and pitch interpolation to join the samples in coherent words. The thing isn't as simply as put the samples like that.

[Virtual > Real]

I just don't like the smugness that I sometimes perceive in the Vocaloid fandom by people who've been in it for a while and think that means they know everything and feel like they can tell other people how to be fans of Vocaloid. I don't much care about comments on Youtube; being surprised by the gunk on Youtube is like being surprised by racism and antisemitism at a clan rally. It's when it's in places like here and other forums that it really depresses me.

[Alphonse]

newtypefag, on 10 July 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Vocaloid isn't a synthesizer. It's a sample library. The producer programs (or "tunes" as we call it) the samples to sound like coherent singing/speaking.

WIth synthesizers you're creating waveforms from scratch.

It's the same for other libraries, most noticeably strings. VSL or East/West aren't synthesizers, they're sample libraries and producers/composers/arrangers program the samples to make them sound more human.

/pedantry

Yeah, but it does do a bit of resynthesis (from one syllable to the next). Vocaloid isn't a true synthesizer, but it's still more of a synthesizer than UTAU. UTAUs really are just sample libraries. All UTAU does is just flatten the samples and perhaps apply a crossfade, right?

Anyway, once you find out that it takes samples, I think someone can understand what Vocaloid is, even if it's being called a "synthesizer".

[hopeandjoy9]

Alphonse, on 12 July 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Yeah, but it does do a bit of resynthesis (from one syllable to the next). Vocaloid isn't a true synthesizer, but it's still more of a synthesizer than UTAU. UTAUs really are just sample libraries. All UTAU does is just flatten the samples and perhaps apply a crossfade, right?

Well, then it distorts them according to flags/notes/pitchbends/vibrato etc. It's not that different from Vocaloid except in quality and transparency of sampling.