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Make Vocaloid sing in [insert language here] ! Mak Vocaloids sing in (almost) any language

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 06:03 PM

YAY it got pinned ! Thank you !
Since some people, have been asking a pretty fair amount of time how to pronunce some languages, I decided to do a topic to centralize everything here.

So first let's set up some rules:

- There will be a section for Japanese, English Voicebanks as well as a special MAIKA one.
- You can submit your own language.
- If you disagree or have question, you can reply here or by PM.
- a "*" means it is my mother language, so trust me.
- a "°" means that I'm fluent / very good in it, so there is a high accuraty.
- a "^" means that I'm learning the language / have studied the phonetics, so there might be errors.
- a "~" means that it is a submission from someone, so I don't know if it is right.

Also, keep in mind that for the English and Japanese voicebanks, and MAIKA the phenomenes will not be the SAMPA ones but VOCALOID's. All other languages that isn't these 2 (or 3, meh) will use normal SAMPA

JAPANESE VOICEBANKS

*French

Vowels:
- {i}, [E], [a], [o] exist in Japanese
- [e] can be used for the french [e] as they are quite similar
- We don't do the difference anymore between [a] and [A] so just use [a]
- [o] can be used for [O]
- [M] can be used for {u} and [y]
- [o] with a very low opening can be used for [2]
- [9] and [@] are very similar, almost exactly the same so use [a] with a low opening
- For the nasal sounds as [a~], [e~](no difference between [9~] and [e~]), [o~], well it is hard. You can use [o N], [i N], [a N] with a low opening for them.

Extract from http://www.phon.ucl....ampa/french.htm
When they are functional, the load of the oppositions a-A, e~-9~, e-E, o-O, 2-9 may be very low for certain speakers, and there is a tendency towards neutralisation.



Consonants:
- [s], [z], [S], [Z], [j], [w], [m], [n], [J] and [N](really rare) exists in Japanese
- [p], {b}, [d], [t], [k], [g] are almost all expired in French so this is kind of a problem (not that much actually).
- [p\] can replace [f]
- {b} can be used for the [v] in front of a word, at the end put [p\]
- [R] can be replace by a well done [h] sound
- to be sincere, I don't understand the difference between [w] and [H], I mean, they are the same
- [l] can be replaced by [4]

°English

Vowels:

- {i} is the same as the english [i:]
- [e] can imitate the
- [M] is pretty similar to {u} (might depend on the voicebank, as some say it more like a [y])
- [a] with a very low opening can imitate the [V], however in some cases [o] can replace it. Same method for [@] and {U}
- [a] with a slightly lower opening can imitate [Q]
- [a e] can do the [{] sound if you have an american accent, eitherway a simple [a] can do.
- [e] is the same as [e] (duh)
- some voicebanks pronunces the [o] closer to the [O:]
- [e j] makes the [eI]
- [a j] with a low opening makes the [aI]
- [a w] with a low opening makes the [aU]
- [o j] makes the [OI]
- for every [r] vowel, you can replace the [r] by a [w]

Consonants:

- [w], [j], [g], [dZ], [z], [Z], [m], [n], [N], [p], [d], {b}, [t], [k], [tS], [s], [S] and [h] are the same
- all the expired consonants e.i. [bh], cannot (as I know) be done exept for the ones with a "i" (the little " ' " just next to the consonant, or the [J] and [C] ones)
- {b} can be used for the [v] in front of a word, at the end put [p\]
- [d] can replace in front of a word [D] since they are pronunced pretty similarly, at the end put [p\] or {b}
- [w] can replace [r]
- [4] can imitate [l] and [l0]
- [p\] can replace [f]
- [p\] can replace [T]


End note:
Okay, english might be one of the harder of the list since it has soooooo many different sounds that are hard to imitate for Japanese. So the best trick is to use my here, most of these are mostly advice and should not be blindly followed


^Spanish


Vowels:

- [a], {i}, [o] exists in Japanese
- [M] is pretty similar to {u} (might depend on the voicebank, as some say it more like a [y])
- [e] can be used for the spanish [e] as they are quite similar

Consonants:

- [w], [j], [g], [m], [n], [N], [J], [p], [d], [t], [k], [tS], [4], [s] and [S] are the same
- The {b} in spanish is between a {b} and a [v], but you can use the normal{b}
- [T] can be replaced by the japanese [p\]
- [x] can be replace by a very hard [h]
- A soft [4] can be used for [l]
- [L] has almost disapeared in Spanish and almost everyone uses [j] instead
- [r] can be done be make a succesion of very short [4' i]

End note:
Strangely enough, I find Japanese voicebanks more appropriate for Spanish than English's ones
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Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:45 PM

Posted in a reply to prevent each categories to be be too loaded

ENGLISH VOICEBANKS
*French

Vowels:
- {i}, [E], [O], {u} exist in English
- [e] can be used for the french [e] as they are quite similar
- We don't do the difference anymore between [a] and [A] so just use [V] or [Q]
- [O] can be used for [o]
- {u} can be used for [y]
- [@] with a very low opening can be used for [2]
- [9] and [@] are very similar, almost exactly the same so use [V]
- For the nasal sounds as [a~], [e~](no difference between [9~] and [e~]), [o~], well it is hard. You can use [O N], [Q N], [V N] with a low opening for them.

Extract from http://www.phon.ucl....ampa/french.htm
When they are functional, the load of the oppositions a-A, e~-9~, e-E, o-O, 2-9 may be very low for certain speakers, and there is a tendency towards neutralisation.

Consonants:- Only the french {R} is a problem, you can use [h] or in rare instances [r]

^Spanish

WIP


~Chinese submitted by Infone@RIONV4

Vowels:

NOTE: The [i/] and [i'] phonemes are, from what they found, too similar to convert into two separate ENG phonemes, so this is why there is one conversion for the two, not two.

- [E], [aI] and [eI] exist in english
- [V] or [Q] can act like a [a]
- [i:] can be used for {i}
- [u:] can be used for {u}
- [@U] can replace [o]
- {U} can replace [e], but for Yohio, use [@]
- [ou] is almost [@U] or [@U u:]
- [AU] is [V O:]

Consonants:

- [m], [n], [f], [l], {s} and [N] exist in English
- [p] = [bh] / [b]
- [p_h] = [p]
- [t] = [dh] / [d]
- [t_h] = [th] / [t]
- [k] = [gh] / [g]
- [k_h] = [k] / [kh]
- [x] = a hard [h]
- [ts\] = [dZ] = [ts']
- [ts\_h] = [tS]
- [s\] = {S} = [s']
- [z'] = This one is a bit difficult, due to the different regional accents and dialects it can go either way in terms of pronunciation. I know Xin Hua uses more of a tap for her "r" sounds, between a [d] and a [l], if using V2 Engloid, [r\] would be more appropriate if you want to imitate her more. But, I know that [r\] can be used since some Mainland CHNloids use a more normal [r\].
- [ts] = [t z] / [th z]
- [ts_h] = [t s] / [th s]
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Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:56 PM

MAIKA

*French

Vowels:
- [a], {i}, [e], [o], {u}, [O], [E], [@] exist for MAIKA
- We don't do the difference anymore between [a] and [A] so just use [a]
- {u} can be used for [y]
- [@] with a very low opening can be used for [2]
- [9] and [@] are very similar, almost exactly the same so use [@]
- For the nasal sounds as [a~], [e~](no difference between [9~] and [e~]), [o~], well it is hard. You can use [O N], [Q N], [V N] with a low opening for them.


Extract from http://www.phon.ucl....ampa/french.htm
When they are functional, the load of the oppositions a-A, e~-9~, e-E, o-O, 2-9 may be very low for certain speakers, and there is a tendency towards neutralisation.

Consonants:
- MAIKA as the advance of having 4 different "r" sounds, so it will be easier. {r} can be used but I don't recommend it, [rr] can be added sometime for stylistic reasons, [x] can be added to make the voice more harsh / angry, [r\] sould not be used, [h] with a smart use can do the job perfectly.

°English

Just use a MAIKA to English converter and refer to the phenomenes board on this page :
http://www.voctro-vo...id.com/en/maika

^Spanish

Just refer to the phenomenes board on this page :
http://www.voctro-vo...id.com/en/maika
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:28 AM

I could write one up for English singing in Chinese if submissions are still allowed?
I like a lot of synths.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 09:36 AM

View PostInfone@RIONV4, on 21 April 2017 - 05:28 AM, said:

I could write one up for English singing in Chinese if submissions are still allowed?


Of course it is allowed, send me everything by PM and I'll add it in the post.
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